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Jim Davidson's avatar

"No Treason" intensifies!

People are not taught the things Lysander Spooner wrote in 1874 about how the constitution has either authorized the tyranny we have had or has been powerless to prevent it. Of course the pubic skoolz won't let his books in their libraries. It's a shame.

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Radio Far Side's avatar

Ah, Spooner. A valued addition to my library. One cannot read his arguments and walk away unscathed. The document certainly has no effect on the People, but it may on those sworn to uphold it, but in any case, there are no given punishments of any consequence for violating that oath. Oh, and the pesky "interstate commerce" clause...

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Jim Davidson's avatar

I see your interstate commerce clause and I raise you "necessary and proper" ...

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Timmy Taes's avatar

Jimmy D: Lysander (love the name) Spooner is one of my heroes.

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Vonu's avatar

"The capitalist system was termed 'capitalism' not by a friend of the system, but by an individual who considered it to be the worst of all historical systems, the greatest evil that had ever befallen mankind. That man was Karl Marx. Nevertheless, there is no reason to reject Marx's term, because it describes clearly the source of the great social improvements brought about by capitalism. Those improvements are the result of capital accumulation; they are based on the fact that people, as a rule, do not consume everything they have produced. That they save, and invest, a part of it."

Ludwig von Mises

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Radio Far Side's avatar

I am a great fan of von Mises and the Austrian School. It is true that Marx popularized the term "capitalist," but I am not convinced he was smart enough to conceive on it I like to think of it as the "natural" or "native" economic system. Unfortunately, and thanks to publik skooling, most people confuse capitalism with mercantilism (Venician economics). Most of what people refer to now as capitalism is actually predatory mercanttilism.

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Vonu's avatar

You are questioning Mises' smartness more than you are Marx's.

Most of what people have ever referred to as capitalism, wasn't.

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Gwyneth's avatar

So, ultimately, all government is a Pyramid scheme. Yes?

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Radio Far Side's avatar

At least the existing system that I am aware of. There may be governments of small nations that have resisted the Fascist take-over, but you can be sure the NGOs are buzzing around them like flies. My guess is those nations that did not institute national lockdowns during the Damnpanic are probably the closest to individual sovereignty, though not necessarily (Sweden for one).

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Timmy Taes's avatar

Rufus: A couple years ago, I tried to find a small nation that respected the individual. San Moreno was okay. At least you can buy guns there no problem.

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Radio Far Side's avatar

Paraguay has a certain appeal, as well, for the same reasons a certain American political dynasty bought up large chunks of it. The escape valves are dwindling fast, though.

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Timmy Taes's avatar

Rufus: My Mom knows a woman, now in her 80s, who moved from Minneapolis to Paraguay years ago. She likes it there. I heard there is a huge aquifer under Paraguay so water isn't a problem.

For some crazy reason years ago, Paraguay had a war with all of its neighboring countries. The war was a disaster for Paraguay. I should research that war. It sounds fascinating.

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Radio Far Side's avatar

Yup, that would be the huge aquifer the Bush Crime Clan are busy squatting on.

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Radio Far Side's avatar

Did I mention no extradition treaty with the US?

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Timmy Taes's avatar

Rufus: That is sad news indeed.

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Edwin's avatar

You are right, completely, and a vote for Trump will only hopefully delay the inevitable, but I'd like to eat steak & potatoes one more time before I croak.

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Radio Far Side's avatar

No doubt we all play a game of kick the can, and that is essentially history in a nutshell. I'm with you at the table waiting on my flame broiled medium-rare tenderloin, and Trump may well help bring that plate to the table, but it still doesn't fix the situation. Trump is basically modern medicine - stop the symptoms but not the disease.

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Jim Davidson's avatar

Um, no. Operation Warp Speed, of which Donald is very proud, pushed poison.

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Timmy Taes's avatar

Edwin: I respectfully disagree. If Hillary had won in 2016, there would have been no need for a Covid Lockdown, the masks, etc. Hillary would have started WWIII and the war would be over by now. All Trump did was delay the inevitable by 8 years. I'm 8 years older and unable to cope with chaos and war today.

I believe in facing the fear head-on and right away.

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Timmy Taes's avatar

Rufus: I'll read later today when I get up but the potato chip comparison is weak. Pringles aren't even considered food. No one knows what Pringles are made of.

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Radio Far Side's avatar

Don't scratch the metaphor too hard. I'm using it as a superficial analogy and not an in-depth analysis.

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Timmy Taes's avatar

Rufus: LOL! Well, Pringles is superficial food so that makes sense. Hahaha. Seriously, Pringles doesn't have to follow the FDA rules on food because Pringles proved in court that it isn't food.

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Radio Far Side's avatar

Yes, I vaguely remember the Pringles case. We have a knock-off brand called Mr. Potato here that's probably even further removed from the classification of food. However, one of the raw materials is potatoes, and they are called "chips," so in that regard I maintain that my simple analogy is functional.

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Timmy Taes's avatar

Rufus: LOL! I keep forgetting that foods are different in Indonesia. "Mr. Potato". LOL! In the USA that name is copyrighted by Mr. Potato Head.

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Radio Far Side's avatar

Copyright? COPYRIGHT?! We don't need no stinkin' copyright! Har har har har

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Timmy Taes's avatar

Rufus: PS: This is off subject, but my friend who lived in Jakarta for many years told me that Israelis are not allowed into Indonesia. Is this still true?

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Just sayn's avatar

Excellent summation of Bubous Americanus .

Now if any Trump supporters are open minded enough to read a critique. https://www.lewrockwell.com/2024/04/david-stockman/the-myth-of-the-maga-economy/. I have no idea if the political construct of corporate personhood can be ended. It Should IMO. However I am convinced that every form of fascism, socialism, communism, mercantilism are all at the bottom of a Vertical scale from tyranny rising up to freedom of the individual. It's not left or right. It is wrong or right. A homogeneous world order will only be peaceful by extreme oppression of speech, thought, and action, with very dumbed down populations. Instead the decentralizing of control to the lowest denominator eg Individual or family with the single law of NoN Aggression, with free trade between consumer and provider. Perhaps future generations will do better If allowed to think, and grow.

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Radio Far Side's avatar

Couldn't have said it better myself. The left/right narradigm is designed so that if you reject one side, you are forced to join the other, and either way they got you. Two-party systems are the foundation of this dialectic. It can't be stopped until a great many more people are aware of it. The definitions have been so obfuscated in falsehoods that no one really has a clear idea of what is going on.

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Just sayn's avatar

I found this to be very enlightening although it is quite long. https://barsoom.substack.com/p/monopoly-on-knowledge-the-era-of

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Robin's avatar

You say you would vote for "the one calling for strengthening county, city and neighborhood bodies, until the smallest possible unit — the household — had all the power within the confines of private property." I heartily agree, this is the Catholic political philosophy called Subsidiarity: "the principle, formulated by the Catholic Church, that matters ought to be handled by the smallest, lowest, or least centralized competent authority rather than by a higher and more distant one, whenever possible." But then you once again return to: "Ultimately, the question before us is whether we support individuals or the collective. Those are the only real choices." I think a lot of people make the mistake of thinking of the individual as the basic unit of (a healthy) society when it is not. It is the family. That is why there is an all out war to destroy that institution and substitute the State and we all do become individuals at that point.

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Radio Far Side's avatar

That is true of the catholic church, but not the Catholic Church. The Big C is essentially a monarchy, with a privy council (Cardinals), fisc (Vatican Bank), and so forth. Sovereignty is vested in the Holy See, and the diocese are organs of the central authority. Orthodoxy more resembles what you describe.

The family is indeed the foundation of society, but the individual is the foundation of the family. A truly human society/system empowers the individual, and the rest flows from that. On Sunday, I will propose a way to begin this process within the framework of the Fascist order. It's not a perfect solution, but it take advantage of the extant structure to begin the process of empowering the family and the individual.

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Timmy Taes's avatar

Great article. I agree completely. It's depressing. Didn't corporations start with Queen Elizabeth I in England? It's a clever legal game to avoid personal liability and bankruptcy.

I made the potato jokes to lighten the mood a bit.

For me, the only answer is to opt out. i.e. No kids or grandkids. That's depressing, too.

Why do people like to congregate in groups? People tell me, ("experts"), that humans are social animals. Well, I'm not! I'm one of the "Men Who Don't Fit In" (Robert Service poem). I'd be happy with a cat, dog, brewery, garden, and a hut in the woods.

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Radio Far Side's avatar

I'm with you - 40 acres and a mule suits me just fine. Humans certainly find defensive power in numbers, but that should be the exception, not the rule. Empowering individuals does not preclude society, but rather inverts the power dynamic. Every great atrocity in history can be attributed to centralized authority on a mass scale. For all its trappings of "democracy," the US is still a monarchy - a single elected Executive, a privy council (Senate) and a fisc (House). Each of them have been subtly replaced with corporate entities, and thus here we are.

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Timmy Taes's avatar

Rufus: I agree with you. A mule is a fine animal. My Dad took my wife and I on a mule team ride tour in Independence, Missouri years ago. That was fun. Those mules can really go fast and are very strong.

I also agree with you on America being a monarchy. I'm an anarchist all the way.

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Radio Far Side's avatar

Mules have all the best attributes of donkeys and horses, but they're not self-replicating, so limited supply. Ah, Independence, where my grandfather grew up with Jesse James. That line of the family came to Texas in the early 1900s, but covered wagon. My great aunt used to tell me the stories.

I would amend it to read Enlightened Anarchy.

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Timmy Taes's avatar

Rufus: Independence, MO was surrounded by mule farms where they bred the mules from horses and donkeys. The mules were then sold to the pioneers heading west. The mule farmers/breeders made good money.

My Dad took my wife and I out to the James family farm which is still owned by the James family. That was fascinating. The original house is still there.

I'm sure you've heard all the James family stories. I always felt badly for the James family neighbor who harbored the Pinkertons who threw the bombs into the James' home. I don't think the farmer wanted to help the Pinkertons but was forced to. Of course, Jesse came home to the farm, found out his brother had been killed and his mom lost her arm etc. and so Jesse killed the neighboring farmer.

Enlightened Anarchy is fine by me. I'd like to rule out cannibalism but you never know.

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Radio Far Side's avatar

Don't get me started on the Pinkertons - pure raw Fascists. Plenty of mule skinners from that neck of the woods.

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Timmy Taes's avatar

Rufus: The Pinkertons at the Homestake Strike were murderers IMO.

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John's avatar

During Covid, Trump refused to maintain a national lockdown, insisting state Governors were better positioned to determine what was best for their state and should be allowed to do their jobs.

Currently, he accepts credit/blame for overturning Roe vs Wade saying " We returned it to the states, as it should be and they are doing a great job".

Those are just two examples of the many valid reasons people who realize there are no handsome prince-saviors riding in to save us, only Trump or China Joe choose Trump.

And the concept of Trump supporters being of substandard intelligence is beyond tired and in opposition to reality, as is absurdly claiming he ":didn't do anything".

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Radio Far Side's avatar

You are correct in every assertion except one - the third choice is not to submit to the collective in any form. Please note that I made no value judgement of Trump or any other politician. A benign Fascism versus a belligerent Fascist does not change the underlying issue of Fascism, only how it is manifested (see potato chip analogy). As you will see in Sunday's follow up, the system is what it is regardless of who is selected to run it. The system has been 5,000 years in the making, and selecting a vaguely different CEO doesn't unwind the pyramid's construction.

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John's avatar

I did understand your stance, but those are not the only differences.

Trump gave belated respect for Jerusalem as Israel's capitol that 20 years of prior administrations had failed to follow through on.

That's a tangible difference, as is Trump cutting off funding for murder bomber Fakestinians, funding China Joe immediately re instated.

Those are both diametrically opposed to the status quo of decades of administrations.

And on top of that, knowing this is a nation in which the majority of Jews are Leftys and Jew Hate generally runs deep, Trump's campaign paid for an hour of network time for Trump to announce his platform and emphasize his dedication to backing Israel.

There were some things the Deep State successfully blocked but most things he said he would work for came to fruition.

He started zero wars after all the anti Trumpets ranted on and on that he would.

Just these three points show the idea of it all being the same just doesn't hold up.

In fact, four years of modern American history with not a single new war is a big deal in itself, as is refunding Fakestinian Terror.

As to the Pyramid, that's Satan's overarching rule and it won't be a concern much longer, the alliances presently forming are exactly as Prophesied in the lead up to Armegeddon, God's Vengeance on Jew Haters.

The countdown began May 14,1948 with the prophesied rebirth of Israel in a single day, and prophesy has proceeded space since then to the point that Germany is re-arming as we speak,Russia China and Iran drawing closer and idiot college students doing their best Heathen Rage in fulfillment of the second Psalm.

Spoiler Alert: Israel will rule this planet for ever and ever, whether anyone approves or not.

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Radio Far Side's avatar

You are correct about Trump's actions, or lack of as the case may be. However, I would argue handing out taxpayers' confiscated wealth is wrong in any case, much less belligerent parties. As you noted, any good that Trump did was easily negated by his successor, thus the system maintained itself, as always.

As for Israel, I have a completely different point of view. The modern state is nothing but a former British colony, created out of the ruins of the Ottoman Empire. The Judeans ceased to exist as a people or nation in AD 70, with the fulfillment of Revelations and other prophesies. The modern "Jews" are in fact Eastern Europeans, Spaniards and Italians, with a tiny minority of Africans. The Judeans fled Palestine and eventually became the early Muslims, as they tried to recreate their religion out of the pieces of several others.

I suppose viewing the unfinished pyramid can be considered Satanic, if one considers all anti-human activities to be Satanic. Certainly, Fascism and the other collectivist systems qualify as such. I certainly have my suspicions about who and what YHWH was, and I'm not particularly thrilled about having his ilk running things again. In any case, though, I do understand your points.

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37's avatar

EVERYTHING revolves around the Central Banking Cabal and System.

The privately held Federal Reserve is merely one of many identical privately held entities sitting under the Bank of International Settlements.

They're ALL created and sponsored by the same ilk that brought us the Holodomor, the Bolshevik Revolution, both World Wars, 9-11, PYSOP-19, and so much more domestically as well as internationally.

Our last best chance to get out from under them was to allow "Too Big to Fail" to actually fail. But we chose and went with the opposite. For ignorance, few, nowhere near enough, recognized it at the time.

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Timmy Taes's avatar

37: My fucking Congressman at the time, Mike Thompson, first voted against the bail-outs and then the next day, voted for the bail-outs even though 90% of us were against them.

We do NOT live in a Republic or even a Democracy. The Congress does whatever the hell it wants to do.

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37's avatar

It does whatever its Masters tell it to do. It's all but guaranteed that he was visited, either in person or via phone, by someone on the Talmudic side of the tracks to pol-splain to him what he needs to do, or else any number of things could happen. Pics of him with some underage girl, or boy ftm, would be the easy sway. JFK was offed by that ilk. Absolutely no one is out of their reach. ... except those with a set of moral and that are clean. Even then, they'll make things up. By the time that washes out, if it ever did, it'd be well too late.

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Radio Far Side's avatar

As with the "Russian dossier," they get a spook to create a story, then leak it to a compliant media outlet, then use the media story as proof that the story is true. No one escapes The Grip, no matter how virtuous you are. A slipped Micky, a compromising photo, and a "leak" and your career is toast, even if you're Mother Teresa. A lie circles the globe before the truth can even get its boots on.

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