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Timmy Taes's avatar

To move the planets around would take a lot of energy. Where did the pond scum get the energy?

Planet V would be pretty darned cold in an orbit between Mars and Jupiter. I don't think it could support life as we know it.

If your theory is true. The pond scum are pretty dumb. They blew up their own planet and mated with humans. That's a dangerous mess.

But then the pond scum blew up their own planet so their nature doesn't change either.

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Radio Far Side's avatar

Mars is cold as a function of its thin atmosphere, more than it's distance, and Jupiter puts out an amazing amount of heat. Heck, Saturn puts out more heat than it receives from the Sun, so distance is not the only factor.

As for the Scummians, an accidental run-away reaction or interplanetary war are the two most likely scenarios in my view, but not the only ones. If the species was reduced to several thousands by the destruction of Planet V, modifying some of the native apes on Earth might have been the only choice for survival.

As for energy, the Universe is made of it. We swim in an energy soup that we have yet to tap - by ignorance or design. Perhaps we have been purposefully sent down technological dead ends to prevent us from accessing that energy for that very reason (see Tesla, Maxwell, Faraday, at al.).

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Dave's avatar

"Jupiter puts out an amazing amount of heat"

Jupiter actually puts out more energy than it receives in light from the Sun. IMO the Electric Universe theorists are correct, it's receiving energy via external electric flow, as is the Sun.

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Radio Far Side's avatar

It's curious to me how folks are unaware of this phenomenon. Saturn is the same, with even more heat output versus solar irradiance. Even the boys at NASA have confirmed that there are plasma "ropes" connected from the Sun to the poles of all the planets. The "ropes" are quite clearly Birkland currents, though the NASA boys can never admit that without opening a huge can of worms.

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fspas.2020.605957/full

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Timmy Taes's avatar

I read about the heat put out by Jupiter and Saturn when I was a teenager. I think it was in Asimov's book "The Universe."

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Rufus: Good points and believable but Saturn and Jupiter are still very cold. The Earth has a magnetic field to ward off the sun's radiation and solar wind. Did Planet V have a nuclear core and a surrounding mass of liquid Iron to create a magnetic field?

There are a lot of variables here in your Planet V theory.

I think we are all alone and Planet V blew up on its own. Probably hit by another planet.

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Radio Far Side's avatar

There is very little information on Jovian and Saturnian temps at various layers, but it is known that at some depth, they exceed thousands of degrees, so somewhere in there is a sunny day at the beach.

There is a lot of speculation about Planet V, given the smattering of information from Sumerian and other ancient texts. It seems that the planet was a bit larger than Earth, a water world, and had a thick atmosphere. We are just now getting direct samples from asteroids, so it remains to be seen if there is evidence of anomalous ancient magnetic fields, and even more unknown if we would ever be told the truth by the scientidiots if there were. So in this regard, there is little direct evidence. The race of giants mentioned in many ancient texts were likely from a planet with higher gravity, but again we can only speculate with the tiny bit of data at hand.

It seems reasonable that Planet V existed (multiple lines of evidence), but beyond that requires a lot more information. Perhaps the thousands of untranslated tablets in Bagdad, or an as yet undiscovered original copy of the Popol Vuh, or new insights into the Hopi myths will one day shed light on the subject.

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Timmy Taes's avatar

Rufus: I agree that there is good data for the existence of Planet V and that it blew up. After that, there isn't much evidence either way for life on Planet V.

As for Saturn and Jupiter, there may be that Goldilocks area of the thick atmosphere where the temps are okay but what about pressure and gravity? Fighting and overcoming that gravity to leave Jupiter would be problematic at best.

I'm still going with the "We are all living in an alien's computer game" theory. LOL.

That would explain Tiny Tim amongst other mysteries of life on Earth.

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Dave's avatar

This premise has also been applied to red giants. Evidently the energy density in their outer layers is low enough that there could be a habitable zone within the outer layers of the star itself.

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Timmy Taes's avatar

Dave: Wouldn't the gravity be too high for life that near or in a red giant? Well, at least life like on Earth but then why would life on Earth exist anywhere else? There may be other forms of life on the giant planets. But I don't think we could go there or they here.

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Dave's avatar

If gravity is really electro-gravity, then perhaps the pond scum manipulated the electric flows that fuel the sun, both to destroy Planet V, and move other bodies into position.

Yep, I think it could have been an interplanetary war with fantastically powerful plasma weapons. That's how deep my personal woo is.

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Timmy Taes's avatar

Dave: Gravity seems to be the big mystery. It's called the "weak force" and yet it seems strong to me.

Decades ago I read about plasma. I haven't kept up to date on new plasma discoveries. All we hear about are laser weapons or the Directed Energy Weapons that may well have started the fires on Maui and NoCal.

Do you think DARPA has developed plasma weapons?

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Dave's avatar

It's "weak" at small scales.

Electrogravity seems a good avenue to explore.

I'm sure DARPA has all sorts of nasty things, why not plasma?

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Radio Far Side's avatar

All four of the physical forces -- EM, gravity, strong/weak nuclear -- are all expressions of the first (EM). If gravity behaved the way the Standard Model claims, the Solar System would have flown apart eons ago. Gravitational attraction 20,000x faster than light and is nothing more than positive/negative poles attracting and repelling.

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Dave's avatar

It's probably waaaay faster than that. Lower limit is 2*10^8 C per VanFlandern (if memory serves).

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Just sayn's avatar

Very Interesting story! From what I have seen of Human life on Earth, I seriously hope that humans never escape from our Prison planet. Never should humans be allowed; To seek out new life, new civilizations and destroy them.

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Radio Far Side's avatar

It is quite a fascination set of facts that line up in a very peculiar way. I agree that we shouldn't be unshackled until we clean our own nest. I see no urgency to spreading our particular brand of insanity into the Universe, when our general level of intellectual development is so pitiful.

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Timmy Taes's avatar

Just sayn: I hate that word "allowed". Who are you or anyone to say what humans are "allowed" to do?

I know that we were all born and that we are going to die. Humans are not "allowed" to live forever.

Are you, Just sayn, the god who decided that?

Personally, I think the universe is insane and if humans go out there and wreak their insanity on an insane reality, so be it.

Maybe we are insane because the universe is insane.

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Just sayn's avatar

Allowed, as with many human words has different usages. Allowed in the sense of never developing the mental capacity to develop the methods of escaping this planet. Or the creators of Humans never allowing our invasive species to migrate into space. Your rage over a word usage makes me wonder that you consider our erect, opposable thumb, language and tool creating, murdering,species to be the epitomy of all intelligent life. We, as a specie may be all there is in our known universe. Who knows? What or who gives humans the right to decide what creatures get to survive or to enslave or murder wantonly? Those that strive and succeed at being in charge are quite often the worst sort through out history.

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Timmy Taes's avatar

Just sayn: Those that strive and succeed in being in charge of nature are the ones who don't starve to death in the winter.

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Timmy Taes's avatar

Just sayn: "Allowed" is allowed. It has only one usage.

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Roger Sterling's avatar

While I’m a huge fan of the Woo … the thesis contemplated seems to be a bit out there. Not that it isn’t plausible but methinks the explanation sought is probably simpler. Pax.

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Radio Far Side's avatar

Which part? The EPH or the ancient interplanetary civilization? The latter argument will be e expanded in another post. It takes a lot of set up.

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Roger Sterling's avatar

Yeah …the interplanetary civilization angle that blew themselves up. One would think that such a civilization would be able to avoid such an event….even if they were at odds with another group. All fun stuff in the Woo. ✌️

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Radio Far Side's avatar

Certainly, we've come close enough to wiping ourselves out since 1945, from both stupidity and ignorance. I have not a few reservations about CERN and the biolabs mucking about with fundamental forces of Nature. I have no problem conceiving of a species that wipes itself out, but the Big Question is what evidence we have that such a civilization may have existed.

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Timmy Taes's avatar

Rufus: I think the Face on Mars is the evidence of another civilization existing. She is a very beautiful woman. An ancient War in the Heavens was fought over this woman like the Trojan Wars.

Things got out of hand.

"Beauty killed the Beast (AKA Planet V)".

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Radio Far Side's avatar

Intriguing theory. Richard Hoagland theorizes that it was visible on to folks on Planet V as a kind of "man in the moon" art piece. It is both frustrating and telling that NASA has gone to such extraordinary lengths to avoid investigating the Face -- at least insofar as we peons are allowed to know. The D&M Pyramid is what has my attention. What secrets does it hold on ancient history, advanced physics and advanced philosophy?

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Timmy Taes's avatar

Rufus: NASA is a misinformation agency. I don't believe anything they say or deny. The D&M Pyramid is also unexplained.

The older I get, the less I know. Anything is possible though I think my in-laws will always be dicks. Maybe they came from Planet V?

Seriously, does it matter to us where we came from or where we are going?

We are here and have to make the best of it.

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Roger Sterling's avatar

Ohhhhh we have the capability to kill ourselves but to vaporize the planet into dust.... not so much. That was my point. I also agree with your CERN and biolabs observations. Have you ever noticed how playing God never works out? Pax

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Radio Far Side's avatar

I would amend your thought slightly to say that we likely have the capability, but not the knowledge at this time. Fortunately, scientidiots haven't put those particular pieces together yet.

As for playing God, I often wake up in the middle of the night in a cold sweat thinking of John 14:12.

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Just sayn's avatar

For sake of argument; we are supposedly highly developed yet we play with arsenals of nuclear weapons that could destroy this planet several times over. Even now we threaten to use them as if one side would actually survive such!!

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Radio Far Side's avatar

I would amend your statement to say that we could easily (some say are) destroy the biosphere, which amounts to a layer on the surface of the planet. However, I seriously doubt we have the capability to rip the planet apart, leaving a pile of rubble. In any case, humanity would likely need to be an interplanetary species to survive something like the destruction of Planet V. If the P-P mass extinction was a result of the disaster, then we barely survived last time.

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Jim Davidson's avatar

Without needing to include another species of beings, we are familiar with hominid clans and factions that war with one another and which develop increasingly advanced weapons. Some while ago Larry Niven proposed that you could accelerate a mass to some meaningful percentage of the speed of light. Let's say a mass the size of Psyche, 3 times 10 to the 19th power kilogrammes. When it is moving at 20% of the speed of light, or more, slam it into the fifth planet. How do you defend against such an attack? It's like current hyperkinetic kill vehicles. They don't need much mass, nor any explosives, they just move really fast.

Now remember a passage from the Bible: "And there was a war in heaven."

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Dave's avatar

Soviet scientists worked out how with a large, very accurate concrete cylinder set in the earth, with a Tsar Bomba or two at the bottom and covered with a layer of water, that when detonated it would eject the water at some double-digit percentage of C. Just need to put the hole in the right place and wait for things to line up properly (lol).

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Radio Far Side's avatar

I, for one, hope something like this remains a theoretical musing. There are much easier ways to go faster than light, that take almost no energy at all. Stay tuned.

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Timmy Taes's avatar

"How deep is your Woo?"

This was not a good pick-up line for me with the chicks at the bar.

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Rufus: "Suppose survivors of Planet V had to manipulate the Solar System to restabilize it, and so parked Mercury, Venus, the Moon, and Mars in their current locations, and perhaps moved Neptune and Pluto around, as well."

I just re-read your article. The sentence quoted above confuses me (which is easily enough done). Why would the Solar System need to be restabilized after Planet V blew up?

Why is Neptune's orbit so strange?

And how does Pluto's orbit even matter?

How big was Planet V?

What I'd really like to know is why the Earth's huge moon exists? Earth is too small to have such a large moon and in just the right orbit and size to block out the sun, except for the corona, in an eclipse. The odds of that happening are one in a billion.

Without the lunar tides on Earth, would human life even exist?

I don't believe in coincidences or happenstance.

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Dave's avatar

"What I'd really like to know is why the Earth's huge moon exists?"

https://archive.org/details/somebody-else-is-on-the-moon

Mind you, probably half of that book is wild speculation. But parts of it are pretty hard to dismiss (e.g. the Moon is too light for it's size, which means it's either porous or a hollow sphere).

Also, the Moon is apparently not a sphere: https://www.bitchute.com/video/zcCeAQeyt9UV/

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Radio Far Side's avatar

Ah, the Moon. Now there's a puzzle of the first magnitude. I love pondering the Moon. If you haven't read Knight's and Butler's "Who Built the Moon?," then you are in for a real treat.

https://www.amazon.com/Who-Built-Moon-Christopher-Knight/dp/1842931636

I believe it was Newton who said, "Except that I see it, the Moon can not exist." I have an unpublished column on the Moon that I've been chewing on for a year. There's so much woo there that it's hard to put it into a succinct and cohesive narrative.

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Timmy Taes's avatar

Rufus: I just spent 30 minutes or so looking around the Internet about the Earth and Moon. The moon has 2.1% of the Earth's volume but only 1.2% of the Earth's mass. Some think this is because the core of the moon is only 20% of its volume whereas most planets have a core of 50% of its volume.

That would explain the discrepancies between volume and mass with the Earth and Moon having different ratios.

Lots of Moon Woo.

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Radio Far Side's avatar

The Moon is an enigma in several dozen ways, from its newr-circular orbit, to it being 1/400th the diameter of the Sun, and 1/400th of the distance from the Earth to the Sun (thus total eclipses). There's an unusual amount of titanium on the surface, which under natural processes should have sunk into the core during formation (heavier atoms). Thus, the thought is that it has been hollowed out and/or extensively mined for its metal content. Lots of rabbit holes up there.

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Timmy Taes's avatar

Rufus: I looked up Titanium. It's atomic number is 22. It's not that heavy. Gold is 79. Titanium costs $140/kg. China, Japan, and Russia are the largest producers. Titanium is important for subs and jet aircraft like the SR-71. 6.7 million tons of Titanium ore are mined in a year on Earth.

It's a very hard element to refine. Corrosion resistant and strong. Titanium is the 9th most common element on Earth so it's not that rare and yet the two minerals that can be mined and refined are hard to find in sufficient concentrations for profitable mining.

For someone to mine Titanium on the moon profitably it would have to be in large concentrated deposits. Which is possible.

The Comstock Lode was a huge ball of pure silver.

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Radio Far Side's avatar

In planetary terms, heavy is relative. Generally, metals sink while silicates rise while a body is still molten, and the Moon has quite a bit of it. The color of the mare is from oxidized titanium.

There's also the weird thing that no crater on the Moon is more than about 2km deep, as if there's a particularly hard layer that stops penetration. A hard metallic layer would also explain the phenomenon of the Moon 'ringing like a bell' when struck.

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Dave's avatar

Yeah, they'll try and provide an explanation to "put it to bed", even if it doesn't explain why the Moon is the exception in our Solar System.

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Timmy Taes's avatar

Dave: Thanks for the links. But it tells me nothing. I think that's the idea. NASA doesn't want anyone to know what is there on the moon. Why not? If the moon is just a rock, why all the secrecy? Why the fuzzy NASA photos of the lunar surface?

This is the problem with one source of information. Certainly other countries have better images of the lunar surface. Why don't they release them?

Why all the secrecy?

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Dave's avatar

If you skim through the book you'll find sections dealing with the Moon's anomalous density. The video indicates what we're seeing is possibly a projection, not the face of the Moon itself. It's possible the Moon is artificial.

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Radio Far Side's avatar

I have concluded that it is highly likely the Moon is artificial. Certainly, the even reflectivity of light across the entire face of the sphere argues for some kind of manipulation, possibly a projection. I've seen very little discussion about how such a projection could be achieved on such a large curved area. The Moon is clearly not solid, but we obviously aren't privileged to see the georeflection maps on the interior, so it may be a geode, or an archology. So many questions, so little help from the space agencies.

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Dave's avatar

"So many questions, so little help from the space agencies."

They only exist to hide the truth.

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Timmy Taes's avatar

Dave: Can't the mass of the moon be calculated from the tides caused by the moon's mass and distance from Earth?

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Dave's avatar

I'd say so. But it doesn't explain the size discrepancy (Moon is too big for it's mass relative to every other body in the Solar System, implying the moon is a hollow sphere or shot full of voids...).

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