you weren't imagining that the rothschilds were going to permit the people of java to not owe them a trillion or five? They can't be having people on Earth who don't owe more money than they've ever earned to people they'll never meet which will have bought something they'll never use. It just wouldn't be right.
The "Green" scam is one of the most horrific frauds ever perpetrated. The Global South has been lured with promises of huge piles of cash available to any administration that comes up with the dumbest energy policy in the known Universe. This isn't the only one Indonesia has bought into, either. There was the effort to corner the market on EV batteries, though the country has no lithium deposits and the bottom fell out of that market. They also ran with their new "green" capital city created whole cloth in the jungle that now languishes as the ruins of a pipe dream. Will they ever snap to their senses? Who knows? But the Global South is certainly being conned on a massive scale.
The "dream" of the most expensive end user cost is the bankers motivation, hence the banksters decide the politicians (lobbyists} for the agenda! The only good thing about solar is that it is a supplemental energy producer with a 20 year lifespan. And batteries, the dream of replace frequently! Rave on Rufus....
In the case of Indonesia, I think the motivation is a severe inferiority complex. They want so bad to be seen as a "leader" in anything that they will spend themselves into oblivion to get it. Of course, the banksters are conveniently waiting at the door to hand them the rope with which to hang themselves.
The largest battery energy storage facility in California caught fire a few years ago. It is down near Monterey. The firemen couldn't put the fire out. It burned for days until all the battery fuel for the fire burned up. The smoke was toxic.
Batteries, particularly Li-ion, are self oxidizing. You can drown them and smother them and they won't die until the last bit of fuel is burnt. And that doesn't even address the vile toxic fumes battery fires cause. There are so many things wrong with this idea that I could write a book just listing them.
In southern Spain now there are forced possessions of agricultural land, much of which has belonged to families for generations, with well established olive trees, many hundreds of years old, due for the chop. Why? To plaster the land with solar panels. It's insane. Big green business and local bigwigs and politicians are going shoulder to shoulder against the little insignificant people trying to battle against these monstrous plans in costly court cases.
I've heard about the olive plantation, and that should be considered a crime against humanity punishable by death. Indonesia is constantly wringing its hands over food security, and here they are wanting to convert thousands of square kilometers to panel farms, saying shade crops can be gown underneath. However, to raise the panels high enough off the ground to farm under them adds entirely new costs for installation, maintenance and decommissioning. There is no scenario, even floating installations, that help this insanity make sense. This is being driven by greed, with politicians licking their lips over the prospect of a trillion dollars in foreign investment being bled off into their gaping pockets. People of the Earth, wake the hell up.
One wonders if the story of Icarus was about the perils of flying too close to the sun or was it that he should have got a better pair of wings before he did so LOL.
Maybe that's the real message: namely, before governments embark upon grandiose projects, they should first master wing production:)
Excellent point! Know the limits of your technology, lest it come round to bite you in the Blessed Assurance. The problem with myths these days is that no one ever learns the appropriate lessons from them.
Cui bono? It’s all you need to ask in these situations. And let’s not forget, on projects of this size, their completion is not the goal. Ongoing cost increases and continued cash flows are paramount, just look at the CA high speed rail project.
You are absolutely spot on, and with Indonesia's long-standing reputation for corruption, particularly with boondoggles such as this, there is no doubt it would ever come near completion, much less functional. By the time they got one generator running, it would be time to replace all the panels and batteries, so the project would never advance beyond that point, if even that far.
I didn't even want to get into the lifespan issues and the disposal problem, although the Indo gov't would likely just dump it all in the ocean. Just adding up the upfront costs was enough to make my head explode.
"The Mosquito Coast" is a beautifully crafted film, and well written to boot. I think it's one of Ford's best roles and Phoenix shows what a tragedy his untimely death was. A lot of promise gone. The film will quickly kill any utopian fantasies the viewer has.
Wow, talk about a boondoggle. It’s beyond my imagination how in the world a nation can be talked into this bullshit. Never doubt clearing the land and erecting these panels will alter normal water runoff, and alter the landscape to the point of pollution flooding, and whatever else could occur during a great monsoon. in the end, it will be the public that’ll pay for every end of this deal.
A great report I can’t imagine trying to write it and doing the math thanks.
See? You figured it out with one short article. Apparently, gov't types can't grasp these simple concepts with panels of experts and thousands of dollars worth of research.
They get talked into it because they think these kinds of projects will lure billions in "green" guilt funding from Western NGOs, which will (for the most part) find their way into politicians' pockets. Indonesia is littered with abandoned mega-projects that ran out of money after corruption cleared out the coffers. Not unlike all other governments, but much less sophisticated.
Mundus vult decipi, ergo decipiatur, a Latin phrase, means "The world wants to be deceived, so let it be deceived."
I read "The Mosquito Coast" when it was published. Paul Theroux is a great writer. Oddly enough, many of the same crew who worked on Mosquito Coast worked on the film I worked on in Belem, Brazil, "At Play in the Fields of the Lord."
From one tropical hell to another. I don't know how the Aussies stood it (first AD and second AD). Saul Zaentz produced both tropical films based on novels. Zaentz was a fanatic about filming in the correct location from the books.
Harrison Ford hated working on that movie. He ate a lot of fried chicken and drank a lot of beer. The tropics will do that to you.
My favorite characters in Mosquito Coast were the twin little girls.
Don't forget "Apocalypse Now". It takes a particular form of psychosis to take a job on a film project in either the desert or the jungle (see "Lawrence of Arabia" and "Star Wars"). They are always beset by disaster. There's a similar tale out of Mexico, where the star only ate cans of tuna flown in from LA, and was thus the last man standing when food poisoning swept the entourage.
I haven't read the book in a long time, but I remember it being very good. Theroux also wrote the screenplay, which also explains why the film stays true to the book and doesn't veer off into Hollywoodism. I relate most to Father, since I have at times been struck down with utopianism, only to end up in much the same predicament.
David Jones, my boss, stunt pilot, and aerial coordinator in Brazil, also worked on Apocalypse Now. Jones filmed the helicopter attack scene on the village. Jones told me that Apocalypse Now was the only film he ever quit on. It was killing him.
The final straw was when the film crew's chef used a quad to drag a dead water buffalo into the field kitchen in the jungle.
Really? He quit because of a Texas BBQ? If I saw a thing, my mouth would start watering in anticipation. The film shot in Mexico I was trying to think of was David Lynch's "Dune". Another desert nightmare. I've never heard what, if anything, went wrong on Mel Gibson's "Apocalypto". I'll have to look into that.
You just don't lead them as much, as I always say.
I'll put Indo insanity against any other country any day. Arresting Andy without charges being filed just for the circus is child's play compared to the nutzo performances we get around here.
Well, yes--solar does have it's place. I have a solar powered pump on a remote well, but then I don't depend on that well for anything but keeping the dirt tanks from drying up. I don't know if your monsoon rains come with big old hail storms, but that can ruin a solar project in seconds, Happened to one just a bit south of me where the end result was several acres of toxic glass shards covering what was once a decent pasture. Definitely not money well spent but I'm sure the utility customers who footed the original bill will gladly pay the clean up expense also. Oh what a world we currently live in.
I have some nifty solar camping gear, like lights and fans and phone chargers, but 8,000 sq. km. of highly toxic materials that will only last 25 years in any event is, well...insane. No other word for it, really.
Hail is pretty rare in these parts, but the probability is not zero, and it only takes one event to ruin your day. What we do have is earthquakes, volcanoes, landslides, and entire weeks where the Sun doesn't put in a day's work and floods cover vast areas of land. One thing I've learned in my brief but illustrious career is that electricity and water don't play well together.
By the bye, I did a bunch of research into having a solar genset that could power 2 fans, 1 light, and the refrigerator for 8 hours. I found that it would take a pickup truck full of gear and roughly $1,800 to reach the bare minimum specs and keep it portable-ish. I'll stick with my camp fan and flashlight.
you weren't imagining that the rothschilds were going to permit the people of java to not owe them a trillion or five? They can't be having people on Earth who don't owe more money than they've ever earned to people they'll never meet which will have bought something they'll never use. It just wouldn't be right.
The "Green" scam is one of the most horrific frauds ever perpetrated. The Global South has been lured with promises of huge piles of cash available to any administration that comes up with the dumbest energy policy in the known Universe. This isn't the only one Indonesia has bought into, either. There was the effort to corner the market on EV batteries, though the country has no lithium deposits and the bottom fell out of that market. They also ran with their new "green" capital city created whole cloth in the jungle that now languishes as the ruins of a pipe dream. Will they ever snap to their senses? Who knows? But the Global South is certainly being conned on a massive scale.
The "dream" of the most expensive end user cost is the bankers motivation, hence the banksters decide the politicians (lobbyists} for the agenda! The only good thing about solar is that it is a supplemental energy producer with a 20 year lifespan. And batteries, the dream of replace frequently! Rave on Rufus....
In the case of Indonesia, I think the motivation is a severe inferiority complex. They want so bad to be seen as a "leader" in anything that they will spend themselves into oblivion to get it. Of course, the banksters are conveniently waiting at the door to hand them the rope with which to hang themselves.
The largest battery energy storage facility in California caught fire a few years ago. It is down near Monterey. The firemen couldn't put the fire out. It burned for days until all the battery fuel for the fire burned up. The smoke was toxic.
Batteries, particularly Li-ion, are self oxidizing. You can drown them and smother them and they won't die until the last bit of fuel is burnt. And that doesn't even address the vile toxic fumes battery fires cause. There are so many things wrong with this idea that I could write a book just listing them.
Insane.
I honestly can't think of a better word for it, even with an unabridged thesaurus.
In southern Spain now there are forced possessions of agricultural land, much of which has belonged to families for generations, with well established olive trees, many hundreds of years old, due for the chop. Why? To plaster the land with solar panels. It's insane. Big green business and local bigwigs and politicians are going shoulder to shoulder against the little insignificant people trying to battle against these monstrous plans in costly court cases.
https://sosrural.es
I've heard about the olive plantation, and that should be considered a crime against humanity punishable by death. Indonesia is constantly wringing its hands over food security, and here they are wanting to convert thousands of square kilometers to panel farms, saying shade crops can be gown underneath. However, to raise the panels high enough off the ground to farm under them adds entirely new costs for installation, maintenance and decommissioning. There is no scenario, even floating installations, that help this insanity make sense. This is being driven by greed, with politicians licking their lips over the prospect of a trillion dollars in foreign investment being bled off into their gaping pockets. People of the Earth, wake the hell up.
One wonders if the story of Icarus was about the perils of flying too close to the sun or was it that he should have got a better pair of wings before he did so LOL.
Maybe that's the real message: namely, before governments embark upon grandiose projects, they should first master wing production:)
Excellent point! Know the limits of your technology, lest it come round to bite you in the Blessed Assurance. The problem with myths these days is that no one ever learns the appropriate lessons from them.
Cui bono? It’s all you need to ask in these situations. And let’s not forget, on projects of this size, their completion is not the goal. Ongoing cost increases and continued cash flows are paramount, just look at the CA high speed rail project.
You are absolutely spot on, and with Indonesia's long-standing reputation for corruption, particularly with boondoggles such as this, there is no doubt it would ever come near completion, much less functional. By the time they got one generator running, it would be time to replace all the panels and batteries, so the project would never advance beyond that point, if even that far.
All the things you say, and then the poison trash on top of it (landfill for broken solar, batteries, etc).
Mosquito Coast shocked me, back in more utopian-- youthful! --days. Ford was amazing.
Best wishes on your area escaping this boondoggle!
I didn't even want to get into the lifespan issues and the disposal problem, although the Indo gov't would likely just dump it all in the ocean. Just adding up the upfront costs was enough to make my head explode.
"The Mosquito Coast" is a beautifully crafted film, and well written to boot. I think it's one of Ford's best roles and Phoenix shows what a tragedy his untimely death was. A lot of promise gone. The film will quickly kill any utopian fantasies the viewer has.
Wow, talk about a boondoggle. It’s beyond my imagination how in the world a nation can be talked into this bullshit. Never doubt clearing the land and erecting these panels will alter normal water runoff, and alter the landscape to the point of pollution flooding, and whatever else could occur during a great monsoon. in the end, it will be the public that’ll pay for every end of this deal.
A great report I can’t imagine trying to write it and doing the math thanks.
See? You figured it out with one short article. Apparently, gov't types can't grasp these simple concepts with panels of experts and thousands of dollars worth of research.
They get talked into it because they think these kinds of projects will lure billions in "green" guilt funding from Western NGOs, which will (for the most part) find their way into politicians' pockets. Indonesia is littered with abandoned mega-projects that ran out of money after corruption cleared out the coffers. Not unlike all other governments, but much less sophisticated.
They solved the oxidizing problem, Silver wrapped electrodes-problem is ther is not enough silver in the world to meet the so called demand!
Bully for us silver owners. It's always good to possess commodities that are in limited supply and infinitely useful.
Mundus vult decipi, ergo decipiatur, a Latin phrase, means "The world wants to be deceived, so let it be deceived."
I read "The Mosquito Coast" when it was published. Paul Theroux is a great writer. Oddly enough, many of the same crew who worked on Mosquito Coast worked on the film I worked on in Belem, Brazil, "At Play in the Fields of the Lord."
From one tropical hell to another. I don't know how the Aussies stood it (first AD and second AD). Saul Zaentz produced both tropical films based on novels. Zaentz was a fanatic about filming in the correct location from the books.
Harrison Ford hated working on that movie. He ate a lot of fried chicken and drank a lot of beer. The tropics will do that to you.
My favorite characters in Mosquito Coast were the twin little girls.
Don't forget "Apocalypse Now". It takes a particular form of psychosis to take a job on a film project in either the desert or the jungle (see "Lawrence of Arabia" and "Star Wars"). They are always beset by disaster. There's a similar tale out of Mexico, where the star only ate cans of tuna flown in from LA, and was thus the last man standing when food poisoning swept the entourage.
I haven't read the book in a long time, but I remember it being very good. Theroux also wrote the screenplay, which also explains why the film stays true to the book and doesn't veer off into Hollywoodism. I relate most to Father, since I have at times been struck down with utopianism, only to end up in much the same predicament.
David Jones, my boss, stunt pilot, and aerial coordinator in Brazil, also worked on Apocalypse Now. Jones filmed the helicopter attack scene on the village. Jones told me that Apocalypse Now was the only film he ever quit on. It was killing him.
The final straw was when the film crew's chef used a quad to drag a dead water buffalo into the field kitchen in the jungle.
Davy Jones' locker? :)
Really? He quit because of a Texas BBQ? If I saw a thing, my mouth would start watering in anticipation. The film shot in Mexico I was trying to think of was David Lynch's "Dune". Another desert nightmare. I've never heard what, if anything, went wrong on Mel Gibson's "Apocalypto". I'll have to look into that.
You just don't lead them as much, as I always say.
Good Lord, man. And here I thoughr we'd lost our minds with Andy and his lot. Ì stans jn awe, mate.
I'll put Indo insanity against any other country any day. Arresting Andy without charges being filed just for the circus is child's play compared to the nutzo performances we get around here.
Well, yes--solar does have it's place. I have a solar powered pump on a remote well, but then I don't depend on that well for anything but keeping the dirt tanks from drying up. I don't know if your monsoon rains come with big old hail storms, but that can ruin a solar project in seconds, Happened to one just a bit south of me where the end result was several acres of toxic glass shards covering what was once a decent pasture. Definitely not money well spent but I'm sure the utility customers who footed the original bill will gladly pay the clean up expense also. Oh what a world we currently live in.
I have some nifty solar camping gear, like lights and fans and phone chargers, but 8,000 sq. km. of highly toxic materials that will only last 25 years in any event is, well...insane. No other word for it, really.
Hail is pretty rare in these parts, but the probability is not zero, and it only takes one event to ruin your day. What we do have is earthquakes, volcanoes, landslides, and entire weeks where the Sun doesn't put in a day's work and floods cover vast areas of land. One thing I've learned in my brief but illustrious career is that electricity and water don't play well together.
By the bye, I did a bunch of research into having a solar genset that could power 2 fans, 1 light, and the refrigerator for 8 hours. I found that it would take a pickup truck full of gear and roughly $1,800 to reach the bare minimum specs and keep it portable-ish. I'll stick with my camp fan and flashlight.
Theres more to te story than meets the eye! Physical (truth) trumps paper promises!