While trying to explain the anti-semantics of anti-semitic claims to a land with no people for a people with no land on Next Door., (don't ask), I referred to Arthur Koestler's book about Ashkenazi origins. This was called an "anti-semitic trope" by another neighbor. Would have been great to paste a link to this, before the post was disappeared into the Memory Hole. It's so ahistorical to assume genetic or not connection through some Holy Book grants right of return. Some say the 13th tribe of Israelites, the Dana (vowels were in short supply) deserve a shot at ownership, too.
As someone with provable Celt lineage, who looks like the Bog People found in the peat of Ireland, and who likes to imbibe homebrew and paint myself blue while howling at the Moon, I hereby claim and demand resettlement rights to Paris and Prague, and piles of "aid" from my great friend and ally the US. If you dare speak against my claims, you are a slimy anti-Celtic hate speaker who should be silenced and jailed for such blasphemy.
As half Celt-mixed genes from various rapists and pillagers- and half Croat- different rapists and pillagers- I reclaim all of Europe and Eurasia- right to the Great Wall and maybe south to Shambala. Can I get a tribe?
Agreed 100% Radio. Bunch of deviant, land grabbing Zionist scumbags. I wouldn't worry about the hand-wringing establishment crowd. They're always late to the party.
To be clear, I didn't say any Jews were guilty of anything. My point has been that there is no distinct Habiru or Isrir people, and so no ancient claim to the land. Furthermore, the Judeans of Roman times were scattered and many ended up in early Islam and Christianity, and in any case were subsumed into other cultures. The vast majority of Jews today - the Ashkenazim - are not Semitic people and took over Palestine by force thanks to colonial policies on the part of the UK and other European nations, using self-identified Jews from the Ukraine, who did not exist before the Middle Ages.
In other words, modern Israel was fabricated out of whole cloth through the efforts of various groups, using the veneer of Judaism and ancient legends as their wedge to carve out a Western power in the Mideast. The reasons behind that effort are deep and wide, but have no basis in the ancient world.
Well, also for the sake of clarity, I think the essential difference between us is that I believe God as in the Bible.
I have had too many direct experiences not to.
Believing God as I do, I really don't believe your idea reflects reality. I don't know if you realize Paul the deceiver urged an end to people connected to their roots and able to trace their genealogical history.
It was pretty universal and for many, continues to this day among Jews, who , being neither ostensible Christians nor Churchians Paul's pronouncement fell on deaf ears in it's intended audience.
Really, I have a hard time understanding unbelief, especially based on the idea that the Screwball Brigade known as Deep State somehow managed to make the world conform to the scripture of the religion they want to eliminate in all it's minuscule details.
And I even hear self alleged Jews and Christians saying the same.
I am stunned at this because it is obvious that the ability to actually lock down and enslave the entire planet never existed at any point in modern history until now.
And the overriding prophesy of all: it will come when people think it won't, to their complete shock and despair.
I don't have any certainty about precisely when, but do I think it possible this Hamas/Israel thing will develop into the Final Elbow?
Yes, I do.
It's not just the depravity or the wars or the earthquakes, the most striking fulfillment is the rampant racism, prophesied to only grow stronger with the end result of these Biblical "Times of the Gentiles" being our enslavement by the " People of Color".
I really believe the adherence to the prophetic script is because it is the inevitable progression of evil.
It's not a real cheerful thing for me; the prophesy is for Israel to be completely overrun, raped and pillaged by Gentiles to the very edge of Destruction, and only then redemption by God.
But between my own profound personal experiences, and the progression of prophesy across millennia, I am completely convinced that despite accidental and deliberate mistranslations over the centuries, the gist of the Bible remains intact.
And it's a mystery to me why people find it onerous. Do they need to be unfaithful to their mates? Do they want to be free to kill people? Must they steal? Do they already have plans for the Sabbath?
I will go one step further: while I disagree with some details, I also believe the combination of secular history and prophesy leave little room for doubt: "Israel" is actually primarily Jews, who are not now or historically Israel. Not because of what you cited, but because we are, White Europeans.
Prophesy pertaining to Israel is not fulfilled in Jews, but in us, Israel.
As far as using history to determine the validity of Jewish/ Israeli inheritance is unlikely to provide real answers.
There were also four matriarchs in the beginning, two from relatives in an idolatrous trunr
Idolatrous tribe and two complete foreigner " bond women". And 12 separate Patriarchal lines.
It's hard enough to sort that out with DNA, anything less precisely measurable is pretty certain to miss the boat.
Sorry for the length, don't mean to be hypocritical but it is way past my bedtime for the second night in a row and I wanted to get it done because I have a lot to do tomorrow.
Germany, the UK, Spain, Italy, and Russia have all offered various incentives to encourage the Ashkenazim to emigrate to Palestine. The last 1,000 years of European history is replete with efforts to get rid of the Ashkenazim, in much the same way Europeans have tried to get rid of the Gypsies, Travellers and similar nomadic groups.
I strive to be the best. Everything in here is documented and my assessment is objective and evidence-based. Any speculation on my part is a matter of connecting factual dots to reach a reasonable conclusion. I understand that you may not like the information or the narrative I have created using published research, but simply claiming it is BS hardly refutes the conclusions. Care to give it a shot?
Family Tree DNA has numerous Jewish studies, as do many other sources and they don't say there is no genetic connection.
They do say there is a surprising amount of Jewish Y DNA instead of female inheritance which was expected.
As far as your efforts for accuracy in general, I know that.
That is why I was so disappointed.Five seconds turned up the most exhaustive study yet, done by Harvard researchers and posted by the National Institute of Health on Pub Med.
It directly contradicts your claims.
And seriously, the AshkeNAZI bit was just childish.
I read the Harvard, NIH and Hebrew University studies. They conclude there is a genetic "bottleneck" in the Middle Ages, in which all Ashkenazim descend from between 600 and 800 bloodlines, all European. Harvard also said that 2/5ths of all Ashkenazim descend from 4 women, all European, and that all Ashkenazim are 30th cousins. None of the studies assert that the Ashkenazim have any genetic connection to Semitic bloodlines greater than 1% (see Elizabeth Warren). Sephardic Jews do have Semitic roots due to intermarriage with Moors in Spain, but that does not imply links to Judeans, much less Hebrews.
As for the last four letters, you may be surprised when you really start delving into it, though I made no aspersions other than to note the irony.
That is not what it says. It says 2/5 descend IN THE FEMALE LINE from four founders who LIVED in Europe in the first millennia.
It also notes a much older Middle Eastern component, so much older it predates Judaism itself.
The lead author has done much genetic investigation. Previously, he showed one founder for the Kohanim (Cohen ✓Surname) regardless of appellation, including both Ashkenazi and Ethiopian Jews.
I don't know where you got off track, but the study shows shared inheritance across all .
What I saw was that the Middle Eastern component fell below the p=0.05 and alpha=90, thus constituting genetic "noise" equal to many European bloodlines that interacted with the Moor, the Ottomans and the Berbers. The Ethiopian Jews probably have the strongest claim to Judean bloodlines, but they are systematically discriminated against and ignored by the Ashkenazim.
The Ashkenazim rescued 14,235 Jews in 36:hours from the mess in Ethiopia/Eritrea.
Once in Israel things like indoor plumbing were mysterious to the Ethiopians who commonly thought toilets were bathtubs for infants.
That the sudden influx of nearly 15K primitive Blacks had pushback from Ashkenazi and others is not exactly shocking.
And if the middle eastern component is generic or not, it's part of the inheritance of the four founding mother's genetics, which are only relevant to 40 percent . Along with the male Jewish DNA this contributes to the theory that the founders were male traders who married local women.
I really think the mindset that Jews should look like Arabs is faulty. if they were all the same people, and all looked like Arabs, how would the Muslims know who to hate?
David was reputed to be a red head. " Ruddy and we'll to look at" really doesn't fit a brown person.
And totally apart from genetics, a Convert is whatever he converted to.
That's what convert means.
And the descendants of those converts also descend from people who lived as Jews through the Shoah.
It really seems the very height of audacity to claim people who lived though that as Jews " aren't really" Jews.
While trying to explain the anti-semantics of anti-semitic claims to a land with no people for a people with no land on Next Door., (don't ask), I referred to Arthur Koestler's book about Ashkenazi origins. This was called an "anti-semitic trope" by another neighbor. Would have been great to paste a link to this, before the post was disappeared into the Memory Hole. It's so ahistorical to assume genetic or not connection through some Holy Book grants right of return. Some say the 13th tribe of Israelites, the Dana (vowels were in short supply) deserve a shot at ownership, too.
By the bye, "anti-semantic"...I love it. Well said, my friend.
Sometimes I've called it anti-Simactic- when the local JDL put me on their blacklist
As someone with provable Celt lineage, who looks like the Bog People found in the peat of Ireland, and who likes to imbibe homebrew and paint myself blue while howling at the Moon, I hereby claim and demand resettlement rights to Paris and Prague, and piles of "aid" from my great friend and ally the US. If you dare speak against my claims, you are a slimy anti-Celtic hate speaker who should be silenced and jailed for such blasphemy.
As half Celt-mixed genes from various rapists and pillagers- and half Croat- different rapists and pillagers- I reclaim all of Europe and Eurasia- right to the Great Wall and maybe south to Shambala. Can I get a tribe?
Will I get to kill the English?
Agreed 100% Radio. Bunch of deviant, land grabbing Zionist scumbags. I wouldn't worry about the hand-wringing establishment crowd. They're always late to the party.
I have yet to see them ever arrive at the party, much less be late.
To rule the many the few need the help of the many.
I can't get the continue thread button to work, so I am posting here.
Apart from all of this, I don't at all deny there are a lot of evil Jews in positions of power.
It's the same with Italians, the
Mob is real, but it doesn't prove all Italians guilty.
And those Jews who are in fact dirty work with and for Gentiles who are even dirtier,if anything.
Bill Gates, China Joe, etc etc.
Finally, I suggest World Israel News. It's pretty small, and the articles can be pretty BS, but they are topical, and it's the Disqus page
I am recommending. You can also search for individual poster profiles and find their various posts.
Of all posters, I recommend Grace Joy, a very intelligent and well informed poster.
There are trolls, esp one called Mr Pooh Head who seems to sincerely believe being a shit head is admirable.
But I think you would be quite surprised to see what Israelis really think.
Ha'aretz is " ISRAEL's most respected site" in pretty much exactly the way NYT is America's.
WIN is where the real people are.
To be clear, I didn't say any Jews were guilty of anything. My point has been that there is no distinct Habiru or Isrir people, and so no ancient claim to the land. Furthermore, the Judeans of Roman times were scattered and many ended up in early Islam and Christianity, and in any case were subsumed into other cultures. The vast majority of Jews today - the Ashkenazim - are not Semitic people and took over Palestine by force thanks to colonial policies on the part of the UK and other European nations, using self-identified Jews from the Ukraine, who did not exist before the Middle Ages.
In other words, modern Israel was fabricated out of whole cloth through the efforts of various groups, using the veneer of Judaism and ancient legends as their wedge to carve out a Western power in the Mideast. The reasons behind that effort are deep and wide, but have no basis in the ancient world.
Well, also for the sake of clarity, I think the essential difference between us is that I believe God as in the Bible.
I have had too many direct experiences not to.
Believing God as I do, I really don't believe your idea reflects reality. I don't know if you realize Paul the deceiver urged an end to people connected to their roots and able to trace their genealogical history.
It was pretty universal and for many, continues to this day among Jews, who , being neither ostensible Christians nor Churchians Paul's pronouncement fell on deaf ears in it's intended audience.
Really, I have a hard time understanding unbelief, especially based on the idea that the Screwball Brigade known as Deep State somehow managed to make the world conform to the scripture of the religion they want to eliminate in all it's minuscule details.
And I even hear self alleged Jews and Christians saying the same.
I am stunned at this because it is obvious that the ability to actually lock down and enslave the entire planet never existed at any point in modern history until now.
And the overriding prophesy of all: it will come when people think it won't, to their complete shock and despair.
I don't have any certainty about precisely when, but do I think it possible this Hamas/Israel thing will develop into the Final Elbow?
Yes, I do.
It's not just the depravity or the wars or the earthquakes, the most striking fulfillment is the rampant racism, prophesied to only grow stronger with the end result of these Biblical "Times of the Gentiles" being our enslavement by the " People of Color".
I really believe the adherence to the prophetic script is because it is the inevitable progression of evil.
It's not a real cheerful thing for me; the prophesy is for Israel to be completely overrun, raped and pillaged by Gentiles to the very edge of Destruction, and only then redemption by God.
But between my own profound personal experiences, and the progression of prophesy across millennia, I am completely convinced that despite accidental and deliberate mistranslations over the centuries, the gist of the Bible remains intact.
And it's a mystery to me why people find it onerous. Do they need to be unfaithful to their mates? Do they want to be free to kill people? Must they steal? Do they already have plans for the Sabbath?
I will go one step further: while I disagree with some details, I also believe the combination of secular history and prophesy leave little room for doubt: "Israel" is actually primarily Jews, who are not now or historically Israel. Not because of what you cited, but because we are, White Europeans.
Prophesy pertaining to Israel is not fulfilled in Jews, but in us, Israel.
As far as using history to determine the validity of Jewish/ Israeli inheritance is unlikely to provide real answers.
There were also four matriarchs in the beginning, two from relatives in an idolatrous trunr
Idolatrous tribe and two complete foreigner " bond women". And 12 separate Patriarchal lines.
It's hard enough to sort that out with DNA, anything less precisely measurable is pretty certain to miss the boat.
Sorry for the length, don't mean to be hypocritical but it is way past my bedtime for the second night in a row and I wanted to get it done because I have a lot to do tomorrow.
This mess is chock full of error.
It's absolutely false to claim Ashkenazi don't genetically descend from the same ancestry as other Jews.
And the bit of emphasizing the nazi ending is just childish and absurd.
I have read a lot of BS this week, but this wins the prize.
So, if my pointing out the irony of nazi in Ashkenazi is childish, then how shall be interpret Israel calling the Aryans nazis? https://www.rt.com/news/584990-israel-iran-nazi-regime/
Maybe the 750,000 Reichmarks per month allotted by Hitler to foment Jihad in Palestine at the urging of the Grand Mufti?
Germany, the UK, Spain, Italy, and Russia have all offered various incentives to encourage the Ashkenazim to emigrate to Palestine. The last 1,000 years of European history is replete with efforts to get rid of the Ashkenazim, in much the same way Europeans have tried to get rid of the Gypsies, Travellers and similar nomadic groups.
I strive to be the best. Everything in here is documented and my assessment is objective and evidence-based. Any speculation on my part is a matter of connecting factual dots to reach a reasonable conclusion. I understand that you may not like the information or the narrative I have created using published research, but simply claiming it is BS hardly refutes the conclusions. Care to give it a shot?
Family Tree DNA has numerous Jewish studies, as do many other sources and they don't say there is no genetic connection.
They do say there is a surprising amount of Jewish Y DNA instead of female inheritance which was expected.
As far as your efforts for accuracy in general, I know that.
That is why I was so disappointed.Five seconds turned up the most exhaustive study yet, done by Harvard researchers and posted by the National Institute of Health on Pub Med.
It directly contradicts your claims.
And seriously, the AshkeNAZI bit was just childish.
I read the Harvard, NIH and Hebrew University studies. They conclude there is a genetic "bottleneck" in the Middle Ages, in which all Ashkenazim descend from between 600 and 800 bloodlines, all European. Harvard also said that 2/5ths of all Ashkenazim descend from 4 women, all European, and that all Ashkenazim are 30th cousins. None of the studies assert that the Ashkenazim have any genetic connection to Semitic bloodlines greater than 1% (see Elizabeth Warren). Sephardic Jews do have Semitic roots due to intermarriage with Moors in Spain, but that does not imply links to Judeans, much less Hebrews.
As for the last four letters, you may be surprised when you really start delving into it, though I made no aspersions other than to note the irony.
That is not what it says. It says 2/5 descend IN THE FEMALE LINE from four founders who LIVED in Europe in the first millennia.
It also notes a much older Middle Eastern component, so much older it predates Judaism itself.
The lead author has done much genetic investigation. Previously, he showed one founder for the Kohanim (Cohen ✓Surname) regardless of appellation, including both Ashkenazi and Ethiopian Jews.
I don't know where you got off track, but the study shows shared inheritance across all .
What I saw was that the Middle Eastern component fell below the p=0.05 and alpha=90, thus constituting genetic "noise" equal to many European bloodlines that interacted with the Moor, the Ottomans and the Berbers. The Ethiopian Jews probably have the strongest claim to Judean bloodlines, but they are systematically discriminated against and ignored by the Ashkenazim.
The Ashkenazim rescued 14,235 Jews in 36:hours from the mess in Ethiopia/Eritrea.
Once in Israel things like indoor plumbing were mysterious to the Ethiopians who commonly thought toilets were bathtubs for infants.
That the sudden influx of nearly 15K primitive Blacks had pushback from Ashkenazi and others is not exactly shocking.
And if the middle eastern component is generic or not, it's part of the inheritance of the four founding mother's genetics, which are only relevant to 40 percent . Along with the male Jewish DNA this contributes to the theory that the founders were male traders who married local women.
I really think the mindset that Jews should look like Arabs is faulty. if they were all the same people, and all looked like Arabs, how would the Muslims know who to hate?
David was reputed to be a red head. " Ruddy and we'll to look at" really doesn't fit a brown person.
And totally apart from genetics, a Convert is whatever he converted to.
That's what convert means.
And the descendants of those converts also descend from people who lived as Jews through the Shoah.
It really seems the very height of audacity to claim people who lived though that as Jews " aren't really" Jews.